mva 02.09.2012 21:28 N900

I've no idea what background you have in software development, but it looks like you have a close to zero experience dealing with masses of users.

Well, let me give you a perspective of a +GIMP team member.

All the great free end-user software projects I can think of became great, because developers were communicating to users who thought along the same lines.

And it's the best way to work on a project, because you keep interacting with people and improving your work, while still belonging to yourself.

What happens when you let democracy in? Ugly mess. Suddenly people start treating you like you owe to them and should bow to their wishes.

— Hey developer, I used to use X application on Windows. I want the Y feature to be like in that app. What do you mean, it's supposed to work differently? Well, make it an option, you idiot.

— Hey developer, there is this app for Mac that's a bit like your app, except it's for a different target group, different use cases and different task applications. But I want one of its tools implemented verbatim anyway. And I want it now. Not going to? Well, I'm a user, and you should be listening to me!

That's just bullshit. Please keep your democracy to yourself.

If you want some free software to change, learn to encourage, learn to make well-fitted proposals that make sense, learn to understand design decisions, but also learn to accept that the developer is the one who has the final saying, because (s)he's the one who's responsible, not you.
(cc) Alexandre Prokoudine (GIMP)

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1. Dulo_T-34 02.09.2012 21:34 ...

tl:dr?

2. mvaDulo_T-34 /1 02.09.2012 21:35 N900

tl;dr — нехуй разводить демократию. Личкрафты нинужны.

3. 0xd34df00d 02.09.2012 23:03 Azoth_primary

Да они просто не осилили!</mva-mode>

4. 0xd34df00dmva /2 02.09.2012 23:03 Azoth_primary

Какое отношение личкрафты имеют к демократии?

5. mva0xd34df00d /4 02.09.2012 23:06 N900

ты мне лучше скажи, нахуя личкрафты ломятся на irc.domain:

Sep 02 20:35:49 c2sb6ab73c8 info Authenticated as 0xd34df00d@ibash.im
Sep 02 20:35:49 s2soutb674b9e8 info Beginning new connection attempt to irc.ibash.im ([176.9.237.121]:5269)
Sep 02 20:35:49 s2sinb672ae88 info incoming s2s stream ibash.im→irc.ibash.im closed: This host does not serve irc.ibash.im
Sep 02 20:35:49 s2soutb674b9e8 info Session closed by remote with error: host-unknown (This host does not serve irc.ibash.im)
Sep 02 20:35:49 s2soutb674b9e8 info outgoing s2s stream ibash.im→irc.ibash.im closed: host-unknown (This host does not serve irc.ibash.im)

6. 0xd34df00dmva /5 02.09.2012 23:08 Azoth_primary

Service discovery?

7. mva0xd34df00d /6 02.09.2012 23:09 N900

нет. В дискавери нету irc. Личкрафты сами туда лезли за каким-то хуем.

8. 0xd34df00dmva /7 02.09.2012 23:10 Azoth_primary

Есть, в айтемсах должно быть.

9. mva0xd34df00d /8 02.09.2012 23:10 N900

нет, нету, блядь. И не должно.

10. 0xd34df00dmva /9 02.09.2012 23:11 Azoth_primary

Хуйца сосни:
→→→→→→ [03:10:01.521] →→→→→→
<iq type="get" id="qxmpp10166979" to="ibash.im">
<query xmlns=" http://jabber.org/protocol/disco#items"/...
</iq>

←←←←←← [03:10:02.137] ←←←←←←
<iq from="ibash.im" type="result" to="0xd34df00d@0xd34df00d.me/Azoth_primary" id="qxmpp10166979">
<query xmlns=" http://jabber.org/protocol/disco#items"&...
<item name="Поиск" jid="search.ibash.im"/>
<item name="Конференции" jid="conference.ibash.im"/>
<item name="Публикация и Подписка" jid="pubsub.ibash.im"/>
<item name="Прокси" jid="proxy.ibash.im"/>
<item name="ICQ" jid="icq.psi-plus.com"/>
<item name="Mail.RU IM" jid="mrim.psi-plus.com"/>
<item name="MUC Jabber.ru" jid="conference.jabber.ru"/>
</query>
</iq>

Ебать, 10 миллионов запросов уже за ~10 дней аптайма личкрафтов.

11. 0xd34df00d0xd34df00d /10 02.09.2012 23:11 Azoth_primary

А, хм, я соснул. А нахуя там irc?

12. mva0xd34df00d /11 02.09.2012 23:11 N900

вот и я спрашиваю у тебя, нахуя они спрашивают irc

13. 0xd34df00dmva /12 02.09.2012 23:11 Azoth_primary

А, лол. Оно у меня в ростере прямо зачем-то.

14. 0xd34df00d0xd34df00d /13 02.09.2012 23:12 Azoth_primary

УДОЛИЛ, больше не будет стучаться.

15. mva0xd34df00d /13 02.09.2012 23:12 N900

я даже не буду спрашивать, как оно туда попало

16. 0xd34df00dmva /15 02.09.2012 23:12 Azoth_primary

Я тестил гейтвеи когда-то очень давно.

Do you really want to delete ?